J.J. Abrams' Chatter

[Kheren]

Neither am I.

Abrams has been clear in all his interviews; he never liked Star Trek because he didn't understand it; and he wanted to make Star Trek for people like him...

That says it all.

Science fiction ignoring science... well, I suppose it is better than science fiction butchering science (Star Trek 2009). But still... *sigh*

And don't count on anything better coming up; Orci and Kurtzman are still penning the script. Abrams at least is a competent director; apart from the moronic lense flares and the ripping off of Star Wars style (everyone knows now that he used Trek to pitch for SW), his cinematorgraphy, editing, technical work is not really at fault. What is consistently at fault and is the major failure of the Abrams franchise as far as many are concerned (like me) is first and foremost the screenplay.

If Abrams is at fault, is in hiring this incompetent pair who had already mauled the Transformer franchise (and we'll see what they have done with Spider-man 2 this year; already with at least 3 villains known, the very mistake of the despised last Raimi Spider-man movie, it does not bode well). Orci & Kurtzman are lazy, unimaginative writers who make a quick buck by throwing together cliches (what they call "hommages") to satisfy the geeky trekkie and then simply connect the dots. Worse still, they do so with contrived, one-dimensional scenes making little if any sense at all in the movie itself, let alone a franchise like Trek who had the privilege of episodes penned by great Sci Fi writers like Robert Bloch, Harlan Ellison and Richard Matheson.

Even Karl Urban stated that it was time that they did "an original story" for the upcoming one. Again that says it all.

But wait; wasn't the first one about the never-told story of how Kirk and crew got together?

Originality is obviously not the only problem here...

CBS/Paramount; could we have STAR TREK back, please?

[Storm Windfall]

I just have to put it here because really, Really?? It's an old article.

http://furiousfanboys.com/2013/11/rumor ... -for-2014/

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And maybe something better?

http://www.trektoday.com/content/2014/0 ... more-32966

[Kheren]

Quote:

On one hand it’ll be awesome to see Star Trek back on the small screen, but on the other turning Star Trek into the next CSI or Chicago Hope just seems to be cheapening the franchise. Star Trek is about exploring the human condition through science fiction and exploring the galaxy, not solving a crime of the week or doctor/nurse love stories…


I could not have said it better myself.

Here we see lack of imagination +formula thinking +no understanding Star Trek+exploiting a brand = anything BUT Star Trek.

Hmmmm.... does it remind you of anything?

[Kheren]

Quote;
The secrecy on the new film begins early. When asked about the next movie and what fans can expect, Payne said “I can’t really talk about much of what it is. At its core, Star Trek has always been about adventure, exploration and wonder, with an optimistic sense of the future, and all its possibilities. It’s a massive playground; we’re so excited to be diving in on it.“Star Trek is unique in that it often grapples with complex ethical and moral dilemmas — we’d love to create a situation like that where you really could be a person of any background, and come down on both sides of how you should respond. Where you can walk out and say, ‘You know, I really don’t know what I would do. What would you do? What’s right to do?’ And get the audience to really engage.”

Well this new writer seems to understand the basics. That at least is hopeful.

But then again, Orci & Kurtzman made so many exciting promises as well that proved to be totally empty for the first two STINOs with a dumb, meaningless, stereotyped and contrived plot full of absurd, stupid, cliche and inept characters ressembling nothing of the original creation it stole the name from; even blatant lies like "we did deep research into the lore" which turned out to be the awful piled bundle of misquoted, misused, misinterpreted rip-offs of episodes and films... what they call "hommages." And if they are still attached in any manner to the project...

Maintain Yellow Alert.

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http://www.trekweb.com/

Everybody is entitled to their opinion.  :)

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http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2013/05/17/so-why-didnt-the-star-trek-reboot-include-all-things-trek/

Old, but still worth a laugh or a grunt.

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http://www.imdb.com/news/ni57182103/


Uhmmm...

[Jeff T]

This has continued disaster written all over it.

Ugg.

[Kheren]

Indeed Jeff. This is one of the two guys who told us that they made deep and exhausting research into Trek lore to write the script. Well, we saw what happened just in the first one alone (not corrected in the second btw):

-Confusion between black hole and wormhole
-A window instead of a viewer
-Confusion between phasers and blasters
-Shields completely forgotten only for the sake of big booms
-Kirk born in space instead of Iowa
-Romulans and Remans blended into one unrecognizable species.
-Vulcan sky blue instead of red
-Vulcans being irrational racists and bigots instead of intelligent, logical, enlightened beings.
-Kirk a whimpy barpunk and not the superb hand to hand fighter that bested the likes of Khan, a Gorn, alien gladiators etc
-Movie full of Mos Eisley-style random aliens than any of the classic aliens of Trek.
-The Enterprise being built on the ground and in Iowa instead of orbit.
-Kirk manipulating an Orion girl tech to solve the Kobayashi Maru test for him instead of mounting and leading himself a covert commando operation against Starfleet Academy (that's why he received a commendation, not because he cheated!)
-Orion Starfleet officer (Orion cannot be a Federation member because it practices slavery)
-Pike in command of a brand new Enterprise in Kirk's time when it originally happened 13 years ago.
-Most Starfleet officers being incompetent morons getting their job through flukes instead of being trained and experienced officers (including McCoy and Kirk especially but excluding Spock and Pike to some extent)
-Chekov dropping from 24 years old to 17 (so he entered Starfleet Academy as a... 13 year-old child? no wonder he codes a simple intercom function and with a password he can't even pronounce!)
-The Enterpise jumping from 300+meters to nearly 900 meters with half the crew of the Kelvin just because the writers wouldn't want to admit the gross scaling error of the shuttlebay shot. (which in turn makes the saucer floating in Vulcan space more than a kilometer in diameter and all crew members 3 meters tall when seen through the ridiculous bridge baywindow).
-Confusion between warpspeed and lightspeed
-Confusion between warp travel and hyperspace travel
-Bringing Vulcan in the solar system (yep, that's where it should be if the Enterprise reached in 30 minutes at warp 9...) instead of 16 light years away (30 minutes means warp... 65!)
-Sulu goes from original 23rd century-educated man practicing Fencing to stereotyped Japanese samurai-ninja complete with folding katana and jump back kicks (and he said fencing?).
-Spock and Uhura turned into teenagers in love and moreover completely unprofessional and unresponsible about it.
-Putting Delta Vega (edge of the galaxy robot factory planet) as an ice planet in close orbit of hot and dry Vulcan
-Making transwarp a teleporting process instead of a propulsion system
-Stoic and self-controled, intelligent Spock turned into a complete neurotic idiot who can't even make one sound judgment.
-No brig on the ship; prisoners are exiled to die on an uninhabited planet... very Starfleet.
-Old Spock goes from responsible moral being to careless manipulator of History.
-Never before (or since) heard magic red matter goo when Generations' Trillithium missile could do the same job
-Confusion between time travel and quantum parallel realities 
-Peace-loving, life-respecting Vulcan-raised Spock turning into a vindictive self-appointed executioner thirsting for revenge... then Kirk opening fire on an already doomed ship just for the hell of it... very Starfleet indeed.
-Steam (or beer?)-powered Enterprise with half a dozen warp cores wich has no bearing whatsoever on a ship's ability to go FTL (let alone escape the gravity well of a black hole).
-Dilithium chamber confused with the warp core (or impulse reactor or batteries, take you pick)
-Suspended, cheating two years cadet Kirk becoming captain of the Federation flagship after Spock did all the work... instead of earning his command through years of excellence and heroism in service.

So much for "serious study", "dwelving deeply into the lore" and "revivng the glories of classic Trek"...

And more ammunition for you Jeff